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Post by Twopercent on May 26, 2020 22:42:29 GMT
I am not exaggerating when I say, show me the crime and I can tell you what part of Germany the guy came from, when his family emigrated, and whether or not he spent time in California. Lee Harvey Oswald
German? California? Guilty? Predictions: German? Yes. Post 1850. Usual go-to. Bavaria or Hamburg (Lower Saxony) California? No need. See above. Guilty? Yes. So is this right? Answers next.
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Post by 2percent on May 26, 2020 23:07:35 GMT
famouskin.com/family-group.php?name=9730+lee+harvey+oswald&ahnum=15
Margarethe "Margaret" Karcher
4th Generation — Great-grandmother of Lee Harvey Oswald
Birth Date: Mar 1834
Birth Location: Bavaria
Oswald did go to California with the army and lived in Orange County for a couple of years.
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Post by 2percent on Jun 7, 2020 20:50:37 GMT
Prediction: Post 1850
Result: Post 1861
Maternal great grandparents would be 3 generations back so 75 years or so. Lee Harvey Oswald was born in 1936 so we go back to 1885 or so.
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Post by 2percent on Jun 7, 2020 20:55:15 GMT
Okay. Jeffrey Dahmer anyone?
What part of Germany did he come from? When did they come? Did he go to California?
My typical go-to : Bavaria or Hamburger (L. Saxony)
Post 1850 German emigration to America. To a new German area.
No California requirement.
Post 1850 German emigration to America. To a new German area.
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Post by 2 percent on Jun 7, 2020 21:00:07 GMT
The census consistently records his paternal grandfather as the child of two German immigrants. Paternal great grandparents would be 3 generations back so 75 years or so. Jeffrey Dahmer was born in 1960 so we go back to 1885 or so. John Dahmer, Jeffrey Dahmer's great grandfather Prediction: Post 1850 Result: Post 1885 gw.geneanet.org/tdowling?lang=en&p=john&n=dahmer Dahmer (Hessian Horseman!) + Hamburger, above, as I guessed (Sidel, grandmother) www.namespedia.com/Prediction: No California requirement. Result: Okay looks like I’m right again. Although his mother moved to California, he never went to visit her. (The Jeffrey Dahmer Story: An American Nightmare By Donald A. Davis)
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Post by 2% on Jun 14, 2020 2:45:15 GMT
Prediction: Post 1850 Result: Post 1861 Maternal great grandparents would be 3 generations back so 75 years or so. Lee Harvey Oswald was born in 1936 so we go back to [Correction: 1861] or so.
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Post by 2% on Jun 14, 2020 2:47:23 GMT
Okay, what about Dillinger? Nice German cleft chin. It’s hard to say because he was a part of a gang. It would be interesting to see. If he was the completely dominant one in the group, then I'd still stay with my go-tos. No guarantees though. He doesn't fit my go-to at all.
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Post by 2percent on Jun 14, 2020 7:39:44 GMT
Not post-1850 German at all. His European immigrant grandfather came from France. Even if Dillinger is German, it's supposedly a name denoting someone from Dillingen on the border with France.
Mathias E. Dillinger grandfather Apr 4 1831 Metz, Nievre, Bourgogne, France
If he's the dominant player, then he definitely needs to "go to California". It hard to say because he was a part of a gang. It would be interesting to see.
If he was the completely dominant one in the group, then I'd still stay with my go-tos. No guarantees though.
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Post by 2% on Jun 14, 2020 8:05:45 GMT
Dillinger wasn't the dominant one. It was Harry Pierpont. No wonder the go-tos don't work. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Pierpont Dillinger wasn't the dominant one. It was Harry Pierpont. No wonder the go-tos don't work. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Pierpont None of the gang seems to have my California go-to. The apparent real leader, Harry Pierpont, doesn't fit either in that regard but he had a serious head injury. He had "dementia praecos". Precocious madness. His mother, from Jay County, Indiana , was German though. . webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:LLalkC77QyEJ:https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php%3Fs%3DTed%2BSkeer%26item_type%3Dtopic+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca Harry Pierpont's mother's German ancestors came from Saxony rather than Lower Saxony but at least one was from Helbourg, Saxony which is near Coburg near the Bavarian border. sites.rootsmagic.com/tjlgenes/individual.php?p=342 . His grandfather emigrated in 1837 so that's a littler prior to my usual 1850 cut off. Close enough considering we're talking about gang dynamics which is usually a whole different ballgame. John Metzner Birth 2 Oct 1805 Saxony (2 Oct 1805 - 10 Jan 1888) Immigration 1837 Licking County, Ohio, USA
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Post by 2percent on Jun 15, 2020 6:26:36 GMT
Ed Gein same predictions same result. found Gein's German descendants were born circa 1840 so probably came to the US after 1850. The Lehrke and Fregin on the mother's side www.namespedia.com/img/Germany/Lehrke.jpgLehrke from Ed Gein's mother's side with Lower Saxony as the hotspot.
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Post by GunsandGermans on Jun 22, 2020 5:33:48 GMT
Here's a quote from Wikipedia (Guns, Germs and Steel) which details Jared Diamond's theories about geography.
Diamond also proposes geographical explanations for why western European societies, rather than other Eurasian powers such as China, have been the dominant colonizers,[2][6] claiming Europe's geography favored balkanization into smaller, closer, nation-states, bordered by natural barriers of mountains, rivers, and coastline. Threats posed by immediate neighbours ensured governments that suppressed economic and technological progress soon corrected their mistakes or were outcompeted relatively quickly, whilst the region's leading powers changed over time. Other advanced cultures developed in areas whose geography was conducive to large, monolithic, isolated empires, without competitors that might have forced the nation to reverse mistaken policies such as China banning the building of ocean-going ships.
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